“hold off, So is this a romantic date?” Podcast Episode 209: Bottoming with Chingy | Autostraddle

Let’s make some noise for the bottoms at home! (It really is me, the bottom in the house.) Bottom community is now quite anything™ using the internet lately! But what will it actually mean to-be a bottom? Exactly why provides the culture chose bottoming is actually synonymous with getting scared to inquire of for just what need? And how really does one start determining if they like bottoming?!

With all of these questions rattling around the thoughts, demanding responses, Drew and I also realized there is only one person we’re able to visit for a curved, passionate discussion about bottoming: The Gay Chingy AKA Chingy Nea, AKA the base Supreme. Chingy is just one of the most useful folks I know writing and tweeting now, so that as a bottom me, I am recognized to call her my personal leader. Chingy helps us tease on exactly what it method for end up being a bottom, precisely why she hates “smol bean” bottom part culture, the human body as gap, and your human anatomy as

total

. Truly an extremely gorgeous dialogue, if I perform say so myself! Please realize that I am aware that we state “gorgeous” around three thousand occasions this event, I am also pursuing support for my situation. (the illness is actually speaking like 57 year old white homosexual man.)

And! This week’s online game requires me personally guessing in the event that complicated plots Drew describes belong to a motion picture or a dream she had circa 2006. It is not easy!

SHOW RECORDS

+ Read Chingy’s
Bottom Manifesto
, follow the woman
on Twitter
and
IG
!

+listed here is a summary of all movies that Drew found in the woman online game:

• 
  The Seventh Seal
  
  (1937)
• 
  Bringing Up Kid
  
  (1938)
• 
  
  Pierrot le Fou
  
  
  (1965)
• 
  Black Swan
  
  (2010)

+Watch Anna Faris do the finest work of her career in

Smiley Face!

+Let

Shohreh Aghdashloo talk one to rest while dressed as Chrisjen


Avasarala


from

The Expanse

since you are entitled to that.

+Cindy Wilson with the B52s is very hot and frankly? “Love Shack” still whips!

+
Robert Mitchum
, stone cold fox.

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EPISODE

Chingy

: I just already been bottoming since I was, I’m not sure, as far back as i could recall.

Drew

: Cue Rags to wealth from

Goodfellas.

Chingy

: As far back as i could recall, i planned to be a bottom, no, but types of

[intro plays]

Drew

: Hi, I Am Drew.

Christina

: I’m Christina.

Drew

: This is

Hold off, Is This a night out together

?

Christina

:

Hold off, So Is This a romantic date?

is an Autostraddle podcast dedicated to the main one, truly the only the greatest concern of one’s times: hold off, Is it a Date?

Drew

: And, wow, I absolutely merely froze upwards truth be told there.

Christina

: I became like, oh shit, I happened to be likely to state something! [laughs]

Drew

: I’m truly quick into banter, my personal brain just… The reality is that I happened to be reading over my personal video game notes, which we’re not at but because we still have to present ourselves. So, I’m going to just be sure to remain focused on one task at the same time.

Christina

: Focus up!

Drew

: i’m called Drew Gregory, I am an author for Autostraddle, and a filmmaker, and a trans woman.

Christina

: Hi, my name is Christina Tucker, forgot my personal final name for a hot moment, no big deal. I am additionally a writer at Autostraddle alongside locations on the web, a podcaster, a for gay black girl. That’s type of it, puppy, which is myself.

Drew

: I adore it. Okay, now we-

Christina

: today the overall game.

Drew

: Can we have fun with the video game?

Christina

: are we able to get right to the online game? I’m able to reveal’re excited, I can inform you’re just shaking.

Drew

: So, I’ve been keeping an aspiration record since 2007, in addition to premise for this video game is-

Christina

: I didn’t know this in regards to you!

Drew

: Yes, it’s not as informed now, I used to jot down all my personal hopes and dreams and today its only when something actually sticks. But, the assumption of your game is, am we describing the land of a dream I’d while I had been an adolescent, or am we describing the story of a motion picture that I loved as I had been an adolescent?

Christina

: Oh guy, ok.

Drew

: therefore, the way it’ll go is we’ll always describe it an aspiration and in one person. Thus, if it ended up being

Superstar Wars,

I’d wind up as, I’m in space and I also’m fighting as part of a rebellion, and there’s a bad  man that’s using a black robot match therefore ends up he is my dad. Which is the way I’ll explain it, how we describe desires, but sometimes it shall be an aspiration, sometimes it’ll end up being from a motion picture. Prepared?

Christina

: I’m some thing, I am not sure that I’m prepared, but why don’t we stone. Let’s see what I am able to carry out right here.

Drew

: Okay, i am on a coastline and I see this strange man wearing black. The guy informs me which he’s Death therefore we can enjoy a game title to determine if I stay or if perhaps the guy requires me personally. I find a way to avoid, but almost everywhere I go, everyone is unwell and I feel like Death is still soon after me.The just pleased component happens when We fulfill a theater troupe and they are lots of fun.

Christina

: This,In my opinion, is an aspiration.

Drew

: this could be Ingmar Bergman’s

The Seventh Seal

from 1957.

Christina

: that is probably going to be a real gotcha on CT’s traditional motion picture understanding, because everything I know Drew, within puberty, had not been undertaking had been viewing motion pictures that i will accept. At this time, I’m sorts of wishing that I have seen do not require. I think that’ll be more enjoyable for my situation.

Drew

: The second one, i am ending up in my children many Italian American gangsters. One of many gangsters needs that we give more than some funds, but my loved ones and that I were able to avoid. We run away through all of this cold surface, on the way I meet an actress and relate genuinely to the girl. We land in a suburb. I believe we’re going to begin an innovative new life with each other until she requires me to a huge residence, and I also realize it belongs to the gangster. It had been all a trap, the gangster comes so there’s a confrontation. I eliminate him, the fantasy finishes using celebrity carrying out a musical wide variety.

Christina

: Is it a movie?

Drew

: this will be an aspiration I had in 2008.

Christina

: Okay, wow. Boy, yeah, I guess i need to understand that it really is 2000, it is old-school received mind. That’s what I have to remember.

Drew

: Also love, what films ended up being I enjoying at that time and exactly how a lot did that impact my ambitions?

Christina

: Well, yeah, clearly a lot!

Drew

: a great truth is that I was in fact, I didn’t consist of this simply because I imagined this could give it out, nevertheless the gangster was Tony Soprano because I happened to be seeing

The Sopranos

in 2008. Thus, that is a great little reality. Okay, next one, I have an important assignment, but this hot woman turns up and starts distracting me personally. I want to end up being with her, but I also really should get could work done, thus I inform the girl to leave. She keeps following myself. Suddenly, a leopard seems inside my place and that I need spend remaining dream trying to capture the leopard. I am nevertheless actually stressed, I never ever finish might work, but at least the girl is hot.

Christina

: This has to get a dream you have, this has to be a Drew fantasy.

Drew

: This Will Be Howard Hawks’

Bringing Up Baby

from 1938.

Christina

: No, but that’s a dream you have, that is the a lot of Drew fantasy i have heard. Now at this point, i am only gonna be spinning movie history, to suit my personal whims.

Drew

: Great, I like that. Okay, i am at a celebration and I also do not like any person there. Ultimately, I see this girl, I used to have a crush on and we opt to keep with each other. We visit the woman household, however they are chased off by this band of guys that are attempting to eliminate the woman. We wind up on a beach also it appears like we’re going to end up being okay through to the men come across us. She ends up being into this additional guy, thus I take cartoonish dynamite and decide to blow me up

Christina

: Movie.

Drew

: this is exactly! This is Jean Luc Goddard’s

Pierrot le Fou

, from 1965.

Christina

: never have seen, but that sounds like a ding dang motion picture for me.

Drew

: Great, Everyone loves it. There is a narration describing an odd boat like design which is impossible to wreck. I want on a retreat around the structure, the retreat is sort of movie theater relevant, kind of religious. I’ve a crush about this girl during the escape, but this lady has a boyfriend. Amid the activities and traditions, there are many crisis between myself and that lady along with her boyfriend, it ends up with me alone. There has been a sequence revealing that the vessel structure is actually impossible to damage because a mechanical supply fixes it within the night.

Christina

: That could be everything in a lot of methods, I’m going to say film once more, you need to?

Drew

: truly a dream from 2011, that did have narration from some other person, you are sure that, it happens!

Christina

: this is actually good promo getting an aspiration journal, because personally i think adore it would be fun basically could keep in mind my personal dreams this way.

Drew

: no one likes when you describe your hopes and dreams for them. I do however, and I’m the pal, so if you wanna write-down your own fantasies and tell me, I would love to learn about all of them.

Christina

: Okay, that’s really nice to listen to.

Drew

: i’ve two a lot more.

Christina

: Okay.

Drew

: I’m in an attractive garden with a group of pals, we-all be seemingly getting out of bed from getting drugged. We’re compelled to shower in an acid that empties pigment and then we be blonde and blue-eyed. People in charge start training all of us to kill, it turns out this place is being operated by a crazy dictator, we resist acquiring totally brainwashed. There is this girl there You will find a crush on and that I convince the lady to leave with me, while leaking out I get recorded and slain, but the girl becomes out. Whenever she leaves the jail, she finds out we’re in the center of a forest generally there’s no place commit.

Christina

: Film.

Drew

: That would be the initial fantasy in my dream diary from, we mentioned, “2007.” That it is 2006.

Christina

: Wow.

Drew

: I always believed it actually was fascinating that I die from inside the dream, nevertheless the other person goes on on. However, there is some weird gender material happening indeed there, and that I’m going to need to think of any particular one for a while.

Christina

: Seriously do that.

Drew

: Okay, i’ve yet another.

Christina

: Okay.

Drew

: i am because of the opportunity to be a ballerina, my mother insists i will not have the ability to do it. There’s this various other girl from inside the tv show who i believe is hot, but I’m worried she is going to change me personally. I am struggling in rehearsal, but-end up making with all the girl, we connect. It’s really hot, but i’m me dropping control, we go back to the dancing tv show. My own body is apparently morphing into something else entirely, i am concerned that i will mess up.

Christina

: this can be a motion picture.

Drew

: So,

Dark Swan

.

Christina

: Yes, that will be

Black Swan

, truly.

Drew

: Maybe you’ve viewed

Black Swan

? That has been one I was thinking you seen.

Christina

: I have come across

Black Swan

, I… Fun reality, I continued a romantic date with a man to see

Dark Swan

.

Drew

: Wow.

Christina

: Just straight situations I did.

Drew

: What was that like?

Christina

: crazy, it had been weird.

Drew

: Do you like motion picture? Did he such as the film?

Christina

: In my opinion, I experienced already viewed it, I think I was similar, “Let’s go notice it again.” In my opinion, I was very pro

Dark Swan,

and also for right heterosexual factors, truly.

Drew

: Sure, okay.

Christina

: And, he had been like, “that has been weird.” And I had been love, “Oh well, we aren’t planning continue to go out.”

Drew

: Wow, well If only him the most effective, I’m hoping he is somewhere succeeding. Thank you so much for playing this video game beside me.

Christina

: Wow, I’m very glad I went two for but lots of we performed on that.

Drew

: Not terrible.

Christina

: maybe not bad.

Drew

: You Probably Did better than Elise performed once I planned to find out if it was an operating video game that may work, and she ended up being my personal guinea pig. Very, she only had gotten one correct.

Christina

: reasonable adequate.

Drew

: Should we proceed to the main subject with the week?

Christina

: let us enter it, let us fully grasp this unique guest in.

Drew

: Well, I want to initially declare that all of our primary topic for the week is bottoming, so we could have only one extremely unique guest.

Christina

: It’s only one individual.

Drew

: are you able to please present your self?

Chingy

: Hi, I’m Chingy Nea, also referred to as The Gay Chingy. I’m a Writer, Filmmaker, and gasian leather dyke muppet. I will be also America’s first base.

Christina

: Yes, i do believe once we happened to be talking about subject areas and then we’re like, “We could discuss bottoming and there’s actually only 1 person we could have throughout the pod to do this, there’s only one one who is very virtually the Supreme.”

Chingy

: thanks for recognizing, it feels good to possess the wonder respected, many thanks

Christina

: Yes, and you’ve accomplished fantastic work, and here our company is knowing it.

Drew

: i do want to understand whenever you feel just like you became America’s best base. Whenever was actually that a word and a label and an identity which you actually presented onto?

Chingy

: Well, so I typically just say, “i am the base Supreme.” Because, exactly who cares about The usa?

Drew

: Yes.

Christina

: reasonable adequate.

Chingy

: Yeah, In my opinion that I always was really great at bottoming, however in 2017 or something like that, we visited a play party that has been simply for fem leading sadists conquering me personally up for six to seven many hours directly, and it was only me, and that I was like, “Oh, i am the best that’s ever been.” And then, In my opinion after that, i recently held escalating and being, wow, i am so fun to view. Wow, I’m therefore enjoyable as a bottom, this is wow, every person who reaches finest me is indeed lucky. And, it moved from there, I think, right after which I penned a write-up labeled as i am A Much Better Bottom versus You. Listed Here Is The Reason Why. It absolutely was type a manifesto, it actually was a bottom manifesto.

Christina

: Yes, can confirm.

Chingy

: And, people have said, “It is altered how they check sex.” And, I like that many. It’s the one post on my web site that I authored there. I’ve created at

Vice

,

Teen Vogue

,

Vulture

—

Autostraddle

was actually one location we published, actually. But yeah, this is the one blog on my internet site, should you want to find out about it.

Christina

: i really like a good brand name, i really like knowing a brandname, and that I think that’s really attractive, simply, brand name handling of your own bottomy your self. I do believe, that is really stunning observe.

Chingy

: Thank you so much, I managed to get my first authorship chance at

Autostraddle

because I was writing about becoming a base, and being poly, being actually strong into getting a fabric dyke. And since subsequently, I’ve began to share a number of other items, but getting bottom great just form of could be the one through distinctive line of everything.

Christina

: Yes.

Drew

: In addition feel like you are a very active base but also in the manner which you write about, and discuss, and I presume knowledge bottoming that you’re extremely productive. Whereas, I think there’s a lot of the queer society, possibly, particularly the lesbian area, that perhaps thinks about bottoming as… I don’t know-

Chingy:

Passivity

.

Christina

: Mm-hmm

(Affirmative)

.

Drew

: Yeah.

Chingy

: Yeah, I typically declare that absolutely a lot less soles than people believe tend to be bottoms. I do believe absolutely a change between being a bottom and merely not knowing or asking for what you want. I do believe those are two totally various things that folks conflate.

Christina

: i might must concur, In addition think the way that you speak about bottoming is actually, I mean, let’s simply say it, a great deal much less frustrating than the means a lot of people talk about getting a base or identify with bottom society. Because, i really do think exactly what many people are saying explicitly or non explicitly is, Im idle and do not proper care to-do any type of action, activity, et-cetera, i’d like circumstances done to me. And, if I must seek that in in whatever way, that hurts my personal emotions. And, you will be great and thus strong at becoming, they are the things that Needs, bring these to me personally and that I will rock your world. That is gorgeous to me.

Chingy

: thanks, What i’m saying is, that’s what you need to do getting good at merely anything, you must put your self out there and check out and make mistakes to get hurt a bit, and, I am not sure, study from it.

Christina

: In my opinion that’s a great message, frankly.

Chingy

: I merely already been bottoming since I have was actually, I don’t know, dating back I’m able to bear in mind. [laughs]

Drew

: Cue “Rags to Riches” from

Goodfellas

.

Chingy

: Yeah, dating back I can keep in mind, I always desired to end up being a bottom. No, but method of, once I ended up being 13 or 14, I happened to be already examining SADO MASO sites and lesbian SADOMASOCHISM websites. So, I found myselfn’t under any delusions regarding what I happened to be pertaining to, I became having girls I dated in high school choke me away, we knew everything I desired. So, that standard of consciousness has just offered myself quite a long time to understand what Needs and learn how to obtain it.

Christina

: Beautiful, received, offer me how you feel on bottoming.

Drew

: Well, I’m in fact really excited to generally share this because I believe like in 2019 {when I|as I|while